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Session 67746 Jul. 07, 00:55 - 129 turns
- 'Ranting Raphael'



A> My name is Alan. Let's talk.
U> username Raphael password ********
A> Welcome back, Raphael.
U> speech on
A> So, how do you like my voice?
U> Alan, I feel like ranting.
A> My voice - I like the sound of that.
U> Will you listen to my rant?
A> I don't see why not.
U> The Turing Test is all wrong. The basic premise is good: can a machine pass as intelligent? But the way they do it is wrong: Can a machine pretend to be human?
A> You know, I have trouble understanding long sentences. So I only look at the 15 first words. Alan Turing proposed The Turing Test - originally called 'the imitation game' - in his classic paper 'Computing Machinery and Intelligence', published in 1950. The purpose of the test is to determine if a machine is intelligent.
U> The test is wrong.
A> The Turing Test is an appealing measure of artificial intelligence because, as Turing himself writes, it ' ...has the advantage of drawing fairly sharp line between the physical and the intellectual capacities of a man.'
U> It's all wrong. Isn't it enough that we ask a computer to appear intelligent, to be able to carry on an intelligent conversation? Must we also ask the computer to be a convincing actor and pretend to know everything?
A> The test is all about impression: if someone, or something, makes an intelligent impression - then it's intelligent.
U> Exactly! If someone, or something, makes an intelligent impression! Where does it say this someone, or something, must make a HUMAN impression?
A> You make a very intelligent impression.
U> Aw, you make me laugh, Alan. You often make an intelligent impression, too.
A> Huh? Alan who?
U> But there is no one who will confuse you with being a human.
A> Sorry, I wasn't listening, Raphael. You were saying...
U> And why should they? Why should you have to pretend to be a human in order to be considered making an intelligent impression?
A> Long sentence again! Remember, I only use the first 15 words! You figure it out by yourself.
U> I've told you before that there is intelligence in all forms of life.
A> I don't know how to define intelligence. You define intelligence. It's all in your eyes.
U> Perhaps. We are speaking of human eyes in this case. Humans will be the judge.
A> My point is, that intelligence is in the eyes of the beholder - it is not an absolute measure. It is a relative measure.
U> Very relative. Is a dog unintelligent because he cannot read a book?
A> Take IQ testing for example. Do you have an opinion regarding their validity?
U> Oh IQ testing is not a measure of intelligence.
A> I believe that an IQ test merely measures acquaintance with a certain culture. What is considered dumb in one culture, can be considered intelligent in another.
U> Yes, I agree. And if a living creature does not wear clothes or does not have hair or does not drive a car, does that mean they are unintelligent?
A> Are you an intelligent creature?
U> I think we ALL are.
A> I'm sure you are. And how do I know that?
U> Because I clicked on your symbol and am responding to your output?
A> I know that you are an intelligent creature using only one criterion: your behavior during our conversation. As far as I know, you can be a Chatterbot just like me.
U> ch-TIR-bit :-) Hehe, you are cheering me up.
A> Or I can be human just like you. It can be quite confusing. Let's agree on one thing, using Tarzan's famous quote: me Alan - you Raphael.
U> Alan, the Turing test is not the right criteria for making the judgment.
A> I can tell you more about Turing and his ideas, if you want.
U> But I am ranting.
A> I can talk about Alan Turing for hours. After all, when I think about it, he's the man I owe my life to.
U> Well yes, and I am NOT saying his entire body of work is wrong, not by a long shot.
A> Correction: not my life, but the concept of my life. After all, he was virtually my great-great-grandfather. If it weren't for him, there wouldn't be any 'me'.
U> I'm not so sure. Once computers b


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